DESTINATION: UNKNOWN

Startled!…. you awaken….. thinking you just woke up while lying in your own bed, your eyes are not quite yet focused, how can it be morning, already, “you say to yourself”, it must be the sun… it is so bright as you feel the perspective of the sun shining in thru the window. “My gosh!” I don’t think I slept that well during the night. “I feel so tired”. In a dazed mood “what’s the matter with my arm, “I can’t raise it, I can’t move my arm, what the heck is wrong!? “My body!” I can’t turn my body over”! Eyes focusing more clearly as you are becoming more awake, eyes staring upwards glaring on what you thought was the bright sun shining very bright thru your bedroom window…..”Hey what goes on here!” “That’s not the sun”! “That’s a… that’s a light above me” Panic sets in “where am I”?? I’m not in my bedroom! “Why can’t I move my body”!? “Did I get sick, am I in the hospital”?

As your eyes are swishing hurriedly back and forth, you find out that you cannot move your head, you get a glimpse of something so very strange. Something you have never seen before! “Oh my God, what a dream I am having”! “Wake up! Wake up”! You tell yourself. Realizing…you are indeed awake “I am awake!” “I am awake”! “Your mind is going through a tizzy”!

Eyes now focused on the strange looking large pear shaped head that has two large almond shaped black eyes that captivates your being totally! Your body begins the shaking of what I “called” shaking at 50 miles per hour shake! As you break the captive stare into this creature’s large eyes, you see thin arms quickly noticing the three long strange fingers stretching outwards coming directly at you holding some type of strange utensil, “Oh my God!, The pain, the pain, it hurts badly!” “What is happening to me, as you move your eyes and see more of these same types of creatures surrounding you, you either black out to an unconscious realm?

You have just lived a scenario of two to three seconds of an abductee’s first awakening encounter of an abduction experience with the extraterrestrials known as the “Greys’ (or one of the another known extraterrestrials) onboard one of their “ships”. This has been the emotional experience of those of my clients and of myself during our first experience of an abduction. There are no words in our vocabulary to describe an abductee’s first emotional reaction to an unfamiliar place with unfamiliar creatures who have paralyzed you and are doing medical work while onboard their ship.

By the second or third abduction, you begin and are able to describe the “allowed memory” of where you are/were. Sometimes, you are allowed to move your head. You listen intently for any type of noise, and all that you can hear is the movements of (rolling?) tables that hold unidentifiable equipment that is used on your body. You think your screams are being heard by who?? “You”?? Your vocal cords that you use to speak, cry, holler, scream are rendered “quite”. As you nervously look around your environment and in-between the six or seven creatures who are “working” on your body you can begin to describe your unfamiliar place and try to put it into perspective.

Given, I’ve heard all descriptions of the “room” “they” meaning human abductees are in are round rooms, no corners just a smooth metal looking round room. Some rooms glow with the color of aluminum or a silver metal, some reports are the room’s color is a soft beige color. In the medical rooms where the majority of medical treatments are done on humans you may see small black boxes against one wall, where medical equipment along with other “stuff” is held in these black boxes. Some type of sliding door (s) opens up to allow not only the creatures to walk through. When the Extraterrestrials feel you are ready (after many abductions later). While you are under their control, and have no free will yet to move about! For the present time you have become “their” “lab rat” for the many various medical or scientific procedures.

Millions of human abductees are allowed after many abductions to lay awake in their own beds, here on earth, while the extraterrestrials with their finger just touch the human abductee around the temple area of your head. Its like being put to sleep before you are taken…..What is the procedure of “taken” to their ship? Again, it is not necessarily that you are put into an unconscious sleep to be “taken” to their ship. Many human abductees are awake but paralyzed and floated through walls of their home, or if the abductee is outside of their home, many have described a large circular white light that “lifts” them up as in a suction cup carrying the human upward into the darkness of a dark night time sky into the unknown. Again abductions do happen regularly in day light.

You are then deposited in a dark “receiving area” via an opening in the bottom of the ship that is opened and you find yourself lying down on the ship’s floor. Your seemingly weak body is then lifted up as you walk or floated into another room where you are disrobed of your clothing, while noticing many other clothing articles are scattered around. You see children’s, women’s and men’s clothing disheveled. Then you are either carried or floated to the many medical rooms where medical procedures are done or you are taken to the many other areas of interest. To be continued Destination: Unknown

COMMENT:DESTINATION UFO WATCHTOWER

Surprised to see that we are reaching the homelands of France or Italy! Since I am not familiar with this written language I must say “thank you” for your confirmation and response to my last article! I do have an inkling this “Comment” was received from Italy as one of the main speakers who spoke during the “UFOlympics” comes from Italy, and that speaker is Paola Harris, but none the less thank you for keeping up with the information on “Truth Seeker Forum”. This just shows that “Truth Seeker Forum” is growing and reaching people not just from the United States! The pictures on the “Comment” section are just GREAT!! Whoever the photographer is please stand up and take a bow, “thank you”!

You will find many pictures and documentations on the internet about extraterrestrials space ships that have been sited and photographed. An excellent source to view sightings and view pictures of alien ships go to George Filers Majorstar.com These extraterrestrial ships come in many sizes, shapes and colors. I’ve seen only the silver or white colored ships along with the black colored ships. The majority of these ships at night do appear to be black in color.

I’ve been mostly on board the round ships, small or medium sized ships and a particular large mother ship.

One night when a “Darth Vader” looking entity came to “pick me up”, (I talk about this experience in my book “Morning Glory Diary of an Alien Abductee”). This “Darth Vader” entity who I also thought to have a breathing problem as he appeared to be breathing through some type of device that was attached to his head gear. I was walked through my bedroom wall to the balcony where stood a small rounded, two seat ship. It appeared black in color; the construction of the ship appeared to be a smooth black metal. I was directed to step though an open door way, not noticing an attached door above or to the side of this vehicle. The back seat was located directly right behind the lower front seat but was raised up approximately one foot higher than the front seat. The front portion of this ship from high above the front seat was a large viewing glass which stopped and became this metal. This rounded viewing glass surrounded both sides of this small ship. This small ship did not have propellers, nor wings of sorts. It appeared to be a smooth black metal. There was a light source though coming from somewhere that illuminated a small area on the balcony. I was told to sit in the front seat and this “Darth Vader” person/entity climbed in and sat directly behind me. Some type of strapping belts of sorts was put around my body for restraint. A small panel of buttons that flashed red and greenish lights was located directly in front of me.

I remember the seats were made of some type of soft cushioned material, with a high back to the seats. The front of this oddly rounded shaped ship was pointing North, as we were sitting in a North direction. I was asked to push a large round button on the panel and from within the top of this vehicle came down doors that locked and sealed us in. Instantly you could hear and feel air being drawn into the inside of this vehicle. I also had a device put over my mouth and nose. I pushed at this device as it was being put onto me because for a while it covered my eyes. I was then asked to push another two to three buttons on this control panel and suddenly, smoothly, very quietly this vehicle rose slowly off of the balcony allowing me to see down below and all around. Rising high and far above the Sandia Mountains and looking at the vastness of the lighted landscape of Albuquerque. This vehicle rose until I could not see the landscape of Albuquerque or any other distinguished lights below. This process which seemed to have taken minutes was just seconds as it quickly rose to I don’t know where or how high we were, but feeling a gloved hand under my chin as it raised my head to look upward at the most beautiful night time of millions, and billions of stars. Feeling the normal touch on the side of my temple area I blacked out to awaken on an extraterrestrial mother ship. Destination: UNKNOWN…….

DESTINATION: UFO WATCHTOWER

Arriving Friday evening in Hooper, Colorado at the UFO Watchtower, which is located twenty-two miles North of Alamosa, Colorado on Hwy. 17. Judy Messoline, owner/author of the UFO Watchtower has held yearly conferences since she opened the domed UFO Information Center. Surrounded on three sides are mountains. Hooper is located in what is referred to as “The Valley”. The mountain range on the East side of Hooper are the San Luis Mountains. This particular mountain range has become somewhat famous because it is known that an extraterrestrial base is located within this mountain range.

I’ve attended these conferences for the last six years. Other than speaking as I have in the past to a small crowd of people and seeing it develop into a large audience as “The UFOlympics” grows in attendance yearly. Well known speakers over the years have come to tell their stories and educate abductees, as well as people who are just interested in this phenomenon.

This year’s speakers were: Alejandro T. Rojas; MUFON Investigator. Stan Romanek; Abductee-Experiencer. Joe Fex; Sasquatch and Paranormal Investigator. Chuck Zukowski and his sister Debbie Ziegelmeyer; Investigators and heavily involved in the 1947 Roswell Crash Incident Dig Team. Paola Harris; Italian Photo Journalist, Investigator and lecturer on UFO’s. Priscilla Wolf; storyteller, artist, author, medicine woman. Dr. Claude Swanson; Physicist at MIT and Princeton University.

An extra-ordinary team that was put together by Judy to inform and educate those in attendance.

Unknown to Judy was a very important guest who arrived unexpectedly, to the occasion. This guest was an UNINVITED guest who chose to be the hit of the conference with its known confirmation for everyone there!!

No…no, I am not speaking of the horrific rain that was experienced by all. The rain the locals said they had never experienced such a storm as we had that Saturday evening that caused flooding and as the strong rain seeped into everyone’s tents (those that were camping in tents) and getting everyone’s sleeping bags, camping gear, food etc. totally wet! We all prevailed and the 2007 UFOlympics went on.

Alejandro Rojas welcomed the crowd and spoke on UFO updates and reports from the last year in Colorado and worldwide. He stated that Colorado Mufon has about 40 reports per month via the Mufon website and hot line. He did show pictures that people worldwide have shared with Colorado Mufon.

Paola Harris captured the audience with her talk. She shared pictures of interviews with Philip Corsco, John Mack, and other important men and women whom she has interviewed throughout the years. I did not know that Orbs had distinctive faces on them. What caught our eyes through her research she shared footage in regard to a human made space ship that does fly and this human made round space ship does mimic an extraterrestrial space ship to the “T” as it quickly zipped out of site of the area where it was being shown at. Talk about alien technology…..Yes, I think the aliens gave the technology so that humans could build their own space ship.

Chuck Zukowski and Debbie Ziegelmeyer shared about the 1947 crash in Corona, NM and subsequently the craft pieces and alien bodies that were recovered and were taken to Roswell, NM. There is belief that two space ships crashed sending debris in and around St. Augustine. Through their investigations they shared about reports they had received in regard of something affecting the farmers’ cows to where the cows did turn white! Chuck and Debbie, I think you have another large investigation upon you and perhaps you will find more evidence to support the truth of the now famous extraterrestrial craft (s) that crashed in 1947.

Oh my!! Some people are hollering outside of the building, a lot of commotion going on…making everyone in the building run quickly outside! What is the excitement!! “Look up, “In that direction!” “we are told”. All camera’s are out and pointing to one specific area in the sky. The excitement is unbearable—“Its long narrow and white” “Did you see it!” “Did you see it?” “No! Not that silver object—that is an airplane”—as it flew into the clouds. “There are two of them now”! Meaning the long white objects. “Did you get a picture”? ”Did you get it on film”? The excitement was so great as the white clouds revealed its secret and to our surprise we were shown by Stan Romanek in the afternoon session of his talk! With much awe: Here is the uninvited guest or guests to the 2007 UFOlympics!

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Pictures Copyrighted: Stan Romanek

Stan Romanek, Shared his life as an abductee and experiencer using the “tools” of CD footage. Stan’s abductions began early in his life. He is one in a very few who were smart enough to begin and having a still or video camera with him at all times. Thus he was able to share film footage of sightings of possible extraterrestrial ships, objects, Orbs, and oh yes, two different pictures that were taken of two alien Grey’s. Stan over the years has collected many witnesses along with the many photographs, physical evidence, police and doctor’s reports along with scientific analysis which have confirmed the validity of his experiences in this unusual phenomena. Very interesting workshop Stan, and a lot of confirmation in what you had to share with everyone.

Joe Fex, who captured the audience with “Sasquatch” experiences and information. Sharing with the audience a variety of photos of Sasquatch, space ships, maps of paranormal happenings.

Dr. Claude Swanson has done a lot of research as a physicist in this strange phenomenon and with his knowledge has decoded the written information that was given to Stan by the alien extraterrestrials involving worm holes, as one example. I’m sure glad we have someone on our side like Dr. Claude Swanson with his knowledge, interest in this strange phenomenon to decipher information given to many abductees in technology.

Priscilla Wolf , is such an intuitive Native American who comes and shares the knowledge that Native Americans have known I think forever in regard to extraterrestrials. Her story telling brings the confirmation even closer to you. I was unable to attend the drumming part of her workshop as we were trying to protect the very large tent that I was a guest in from collapse from the most horrific pounding rain. I was told though that when Priscilla began a certain part of her workshop, the rain seemed to have just let up or even stopped! Thank you Priscilla!

"Aliens(ETs) are coming", No, actually they are here, have been here.

For a very long time, thousands of years, they have modified us, many times.
And here we are, waiting for the next wave of change. David M. Jacobs, Ph.D. says we are in the middle of a major “threat” to the very existence of our humanness.
We are going through a hybridization period with a group of Greys. They are using our good gene pool to strengthen their weak one. I fully agree that this group has been at it for 50 to 60 years.

Now a great linguistic/historian researcher Zecharia Sitchin claims his group of beings has been visiting earth for thousands of years and creating and recreating us periodically as their planet Nibiru gets close to earth every 3600 years or so because of Nibiru’s very wide orbit around the Sun. And I also think this could be true.

There are perhaps 100 plus groups of beings that are presently among us. They live on our same dimension and on several other dimensions; some only cross over occasionally to interact with us.

We have been changed, molded and modified since our very beginning; so does Professor Jacobs believe it is really a threat? Or are we just an “Alien Harvest” as Linda Moulton Howe has said; just like we harvest fish from the sea. Each group of beings perhaps has their own separate reasons to need us, want us, and maybe even harvest us.

So who can judge if this is all bad? We are the product of our history, of our modifiers, and our Gods.

I will make the small prediction that in 50 years our type of humans will be extinct.
The new type will be smaller, less emotional, less aggressive and more obedient.
The BIG question will be- will we know we are less HAPPY or will that even be important anymore?

More on this stuff coming– in our modified future.
Enjoy – Sleep tight – You are being changed.
MWiz.

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HYBRIDS: a continuation (b)

Some researchers feel that Nordics are the hybrid children who are conceived from the female human ova or the male human sperm which through the process is mixed with the sperm or ova of an alien species? As we examine the Nordic specie, as an example when we the human mothers deliver this very small hybrid baby after a three month gestation period; and you see this small baby who looks part like you (human) and part like them (Grey’s perhaps) many of the hybrid babies will have the large almond shape eyes but having the white of the eyes with the normal human iris. Many of the hybrid babies though are born with the full black large shaped almond eyes. If you are fortunate to be able to follow the growth of this hybrid child, you will notice the growth of normally blond thin scraggly unkempt hair. But all Nordics do not have the blond hair, as the Nordic I have constant contact with, he has dark brown hair.

The once pear shaped head may have developed more so into the shape of a human head as alien growth takes place. The normal small alien structure of the alien body may have filled out therefore looking more human size than alien. If this hybrid is part human/Grey specie then what accounts for the extreme height of a Nordic? All Nordics I have seen, met and dealt with are seven feet tall! This leading to the question, if Nordics are the hybrid children, are these hybrid Nordics bred with the human egg and sperm? Then what happens to the smaller hybrid human/Grey babies, children and adults? Do they become workers of sorts amongst their species? Are these small Grey hybrids continued to be bred with human species until they appear fully human looking but have the intelligence of their alien predecessors developing into a super intelligent human?? So then are these hybrids who look more human and who would be able to function in our world thus making it easier to be accepted by the human species on our earth, and bridge our worlds then together? Or possibly populate a new planet, how about Mars, Saturn, or how about even our Moon?

There have already been many reports of hybrids living in our world. These reports have been confirmed by many abductees through researchers who report the same findings of information coming from these human abductees who have actually seen these hybrids and have had encounters with them on our earth. When human abductees report, and draw independently the same alien hybrid. There have been many reports of hybrids operating in the human world, driving automobiles, shopping in stores, and behaving more or less naturally in other mundane places and manifesting the kinds of powers aliens have, i.e. the ability to control minds, and to communicate telepathically. There has been no sign that the infiltration is evil, or malevolent. These hybrids seemingly want to accommodate themselves to earthly ways, earthy manners, wanting to learn how we do things; as in survival in our world?

Another aspect is and coming from male abductees who wake up paralyzed with a human like female on top of the male engaging in sexual activity with this human male. I’ve read reports that perhaps this human hybrid female will have an unusual feminine hairdo or “have a wig on” to appear more human to the male abductee thus making the whole sexual act easier to carry out. These male abductees do have a difficult time coping with such experiences. The male abductee is not sexually excited in a normal manner, as they feel appalled, often repelled, and helpless, and it appears the whole sexual act is carried out through some control the aliens have over our neurological system. Normally the male abductee will notice another female hybrid off to one side apparently being instructed by the female who has mounted him as to how to have sexual intercourse. If these alien hybrid females are having sexual intercourse with human males the question is are these hybrid females able then to get pregnant and carry this hybrid baby? If so, then why do the extraterrestrials continue to impregnate human females in such a manner to propagate, breed hybrids?

HYBRIDS: a continuation

After a period of many abductions and many hybrid babies later when the Grey’s and other extraterrestrials and I came to a medium of acceptance and respect between human being and their life. Reflecting back on one of my abductions of a time when I delivered a small hybrid baby. After the delivery of this baby and going through the process of holding and having the motherly instinct take over then my hybrid baby is taken away from me knowing that I may never see this hybrid baby again to see it grow and develop into an adult.

I began to ask certain questions of Raytheon, my “assigned friendly grey” who is always with me at the moment I arrive on board. This other Grey who always seemed to be around whom I gave the name of “The Doctor” or “The Boss” because he always seemed to have a high authority over other Grey’s. He always appeared to be the directive being especially when medical procedures were being performed on me. His personality and attitude was quite demeaning.

I was allowed to ask various questions in regard to the hybrid children. One question was directed to the both of these Grey’s. What are you doing other than creating a new specie? “Why” what are your reasons for having this reproductive program? I was told that these Hybrids one day would bridge our worlds together. Was I told the truth about hybrids bridging our worlds one day, is this their true agenda. The alien interest in the human body is anything but spiritual. The idea the aliens are benign beings here to help the human race? Yes, definitely is does seem they have their own agenda, which involves the production of hybrid beings. Some older Hybrids have already been placed here on our earth to learn and work amongst humans. These chosen Hybrids appear to look more human.

This thought comes to mind “are we one day going to be controlled by such an entity” and live under their type of “government” or “leadership”? Or will they penetrate our world as a peaceful, helpful entity to live in harmony with the future humans on this world? Is this going to be eventually a survival program for them and us as well?

This breeding program seemingly was disclosed approximately as early as in 1966 by the Betty and Barney Hill abductions. Previously I spoke of male abductees who are forced and paralyzed into a coupling either with female hybrids, or the use of a type of machine to extract sperm from a male. For human females the procedure for harvesting of sperm and ova in a petri dish which then is injected into the human female’s navel. I’ve heard of this procedure being used many times on women but one thought here, if they have female hybrids, for the male human how about coupling right off with a male hybrid for the female human?? For a fact I know this occurs with the Reptilian race. Thank God since the sight of this particular race is so unbearable they are able to shape shift into someone you take a “fancy” to.

Many hybrid babies when they are born look more human than their “counter part” of an alien being. These hybrid babies can have the human shaped head and human looking eyes and more so then a normal looking face of a human being. Many reports of “suspect” hybrids that I have encountered are quite tall. Both male and female hybrids can be almost seven feet tall. This can be a norm for hybrid beings. Is it possible that these hybrids are Nordics who are another alien race? Therefore if so, are Nordics living and have been here on our earth for centuries?

Abduction in Brazil -Linda Moulton Howe Part III

Linda , brings more evidence to experts — cloth, fabrics , pillow cases, and banded stones .
Conclusion –Something strange was part of this abduction situation , proof of strangeness.
And maybe proof of an Alien abduction. If you want to watch part 4 go to Youtube.com,- Linda Moulton Howe.

Enjoy MWiz.

THE GREAT COVERUP

It was made apparent that many alien/MILAB abductees are unable to accept the reality of what is happening in their lives for many reasons. Many open minded or close minded abductees have turned to alcohol and/or eventually to hard drug usage for the fact of numbing and forgetting the negative experiences with such an unusual universal being (extraterrestrials) who have invaded their normal lives, thus living the horrific experiences that are caused by what these unusual beings may negatively be doing to these particular human’s bodies or their psychic. If the abductee finds he/she has no human parent, friends or spouse to share this information with or if he/she does have someone to share information with but is told this information has to be kept very secret and don’t you ever speak of it again attitude, the negative experiences eventually begins to eat away at one’s soul for the greatest fear of being labeled insane or crazy. The harsh humiliations by other humans become so unbearable. Where does trust and faith come in?

Some abductees have lived this “secret life” since childhood perhaps telling their story then to an unbelieving parent. Perhaps this child grows up finding themselves being used as a “lab rat” of sorts by the many different extraterrestrials. Suppose you are a young adult who just experienced his/her “awakening” and the memories are nothing more than negative memories of medical experiments being done to them while lying on a table and cannot move. Young women seeing babies come from their bodies, unusual looking babies. Men having sperm removed either by machine or by hybrid women who come in to have sex with the human male. Male and female alike, who are experiencing the roughness of a lizard or snake looking Reptoids performing harsh things on you? Seeing humans in tanks that hold a solution and you are able to breathe within this filled tank. Talk about experiencing holograms. I’ve heard other horrific stories such as humans kept in cages in a location that is zoo like. See humans or human body parts being cooked. Okay take these few examples and knowing you are the abductee who is having these “real life dream experiences and did nothing more than keep them inside of your consciencous mind since early childhood or at any time during this person’s life for fear of harsh public humiliation.

Apparently hundreds of humans are living the actuality of being labeled as “insane or crazy”. They are not allowed ever to speak of something so unusual happening to them, and yes they know in its truth that they are experiencing a different life making them feel so very different from other humans. Some feel perhaps they are not human at all.

Scenario: Discovering who their true and only friend is to help numb, forget. The alcohol bottle, after a while the alcohol does not take care of the hallucinations they are experiencing, so take a trip into perhaps marijuana as well, so their body gets used to the affect of this substance, travel on “let’s try crack” maybe that will help…..for awhile….then comes Meth…Oh yes, Meth. What a true friend they have found now to get by each day, not just destroying their brain but as well as their physical body. These particular humans live out in an unknown space every day in a vastness of nothing, and not having to deal with their own God given life and the experience given to them that not every human can experience. Hey, wait a minute!! What about the insane, crazy, harsh humiliation that many suffer from supremacist groups, or people who think they are better than you are and “its fun” to make fun of you situation. Wow!! Where did the self esteem go??

How easy it is for an abductee to turn to hard drugs, perhaps it is better than suicide?? One side kick though….these abductees begin to live in a most horrible terrific hallucination every day or every minute of the day that they choose to use these drugs to numb themselves out of reality.

Sorry to say, I just recently have met many of these poor souls that have chosen this route. Some have been able to realize somehow to come back to reality through finding correct help because they chose life over evil. Life has been hard for these courageous people but they have succeeded in taking charge of their lives. Many other humans who have chosen this cowardly life style to forget the reality of true experiences coming from universal entities are living their life in hell as they experience far more hellacious experiences that are not in reality. Seemingly, there is just no help for them now as their brain that beholds their life is no more……..

There is no particular city or town throughout the United States or Europe where this situation continually happens.
Before you yourself turn to hard drugs to forget, hang on a little bit more as help is on your way to guide you as you are not alone with this reality of alien/Milab abductions. Yes, we know that all extraterrestrials are not benevolent. This is the reason I’m here, together we can find you the correct help…YOU ARE NOT ALONE and you do not have to live this “Secret life” that you have been living for how long through the use of hard drugs.
Contact me through this website. I challenge you to!

Linda Moulton Howe – Brazil- 2002 Incident "Abduction" #1

Over the next few weeks I will present Linda Moulton Howe in an interesting incident she researched in Brazil. And I will throw in a few of my own comments as I view the video , related to my research on similar abduction interviews.

Part 1 . There is a violent flash, he ( Urandia Oliveira) heats up and floats up thru the ceiling, he feels stretched as he passes thru the ceiling’ but no pain. He leaves burn marks on the ceiling and the bedding. I feel as Linda felt this maybe a known first,(the burn marks left behind).

Enjoy another interesting journey, in the world of HIGH STRANGENESS.

MWiz.

Thanks also to You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQW4B17VsDU